Moreover, there are TNG era Klingon characters with ridges who did not have ridges when they first appeared in TOS. They had to redesign it somewhat which looks mostly like the movie version and last time I checked most people liked that version and while its also old it still feels modern enough to fit with Discovery and this universe. Ray Liotta is the spitting image of Jeffrey Hunter. Suddenly big tactitle color buttons will be the ‘in’ thing I guess and holocomunication will just be a relic…in ten years. Maybe 20 years ago. As Lorca says in his bestseller “The Art of the Squeal,” bad publicity is better than no publicity. If you look at the bridge which was actually used in “The Cage” and “WNMHGB” you’ll also see a black rectangle which is almost exactly where the bridge viewport is supposed to be. Take my money!!!!! A classic TOS shot that shows off the bow of the ship. Or maybe people actually like the design? However, the 4 ft model was glaringly different to my eye from its first appearance, and I found its appearance problematic throughout, because even with the increased detail, it still seemed small, especially in close flybys, owing to what I call the model-size-to-taking-lens relationship. Also, The shuttle bay “lip” makes sense as a loading dock and isn’t really that distracting. it’s still The Enterprise. She is probably the most well known “character” from Star Trek. Dude you’re pathetic. -- USS Enterprise. yes keep the layouts and colours the same but update the visuals and tech. Disco nailed it within the 1st 4 episodes. Ah,as the Bard Shakespear might have paraphrased about his plays: “The SPIN’S THE THING.” Really? Seems to me you made their point for them. Besides. Jason Isaacs as Gabriel Lorca (2017–2018) 2. It looks mid-refit. In fact, in a lot of ways this design incorporates the improvements made for the TMP refit (which is the best looking ship in Trek history and one of the very best in all of sci-fi) and looks better than the original. It is a fact they changed the ship noticeably & not just changed the struts but made them weaker with pointless slits. @zoe — it’s apples and oranges. Gotcha. I have accepted that the powers that be don’t want a faithful recreation of what came before. They should do the same with Discovery. With Discovery, the studio force changes on its fanbase—and you don’t want to bite the hand that has fed you. You’re not talking about the gorgamander are you because that’s a whale man. I agree,I have no problem with the neck,and love the ship. Instead they promised those of us who like canon that this would be canon, and I think that’s what irks me a little. And you’re upset the Enterprise had its pylons changed? It would have been nice if they’d used the larger version, but again, the iconic design is the series filming model, which they’ve stayed pretty true to in this area of the ship. This looks like the NCC-1701, except with more detail and minor tweaks. That skips over the actual discussion and point anyone is trying to make. Aside from a few brief moments of the stage production of Macbeth, in “The Conscience of the King” – Arcturian, don’t you know. The bulk of the ship, though, seems much less massive. @DF — why exactly is Pike around 38 at this point? RELATED: Star Trek: Discovery Season 3 Episode 2 Throws The Crew Into A Chilling Future. This seems to be pure “Discoization,” and people online are already calling this detail “the potato peeler.” No other ship we’ve seen in Discovery has this kind of cutout in the pylon. I think they did an amazing job on the Enterprise, and I look forward to seeing the interior. They seemed to copy the tricorders and communicators to a T, but everything else has this weird twist. Between TOS, TMP, the B, C, D, E and J, this formula is the same, but reinterpreted to depict decades of design and technological evolution. Star Trek has ALWAYS contradicted itself. Truth doesn’t work that way. We know from canon that Sarek and Spock can’t meet. Ray Liotta was often suggested as Pike for the 2009 movie, including on this very site as a matter of fact. Discovery isn’t perfect, but it’s damn good. DISCO would be like George Lucas introducing midichlorians in the Star Wars prequels to ‘enhance’ how the Force works. Like to see Jeff Hunter’s son, Chris play After Star Trek: Discovery season 3's premiere focused entirely on Commander Michael Burnham's (Sonequa Martin-Green) arrival in the year 3188, episode 2, "Far From Home", details what happened to the U.S.S. As far as the neck being shorter than the refit version, don’t forget that the neck of the ship in TMP is sitting on the newly installed torpedo tubes, so it will look longer than it did just sitting against the secondary hull. “Solution: at some point in season 2 establish that Discovery is in an alternate reality/timeline. That’s exactly right. Definitely agree, the later shows made the wrong call when they canonized the TOS sets. Like the Kelvin version, it’s just flat across. What everyone seems to forget…. Also that is the WORST design. The steady-state nacelle lighting is a piece of TNG visual dumbness that just got repeated ad nauseam for the last three decades. Seems to me a lot less since you’re here trying to convince me and others of our folly. She is still a beauty when viewing her from the rear. The Kelvin versions are more like twice that length. Canon is whether Han shot first, not what his gun looked like. So if Discovery uses the fact they can change a Klingon to make them look human as the reason why TOS Klingons look the way they look they Are ignoring canon and the show (no matter how much they insist it is) is not in the prime universe at all. But overall, not bad. I like DISCO but it doesn’t taste like Prime Trek to me. Just call it a reimagined show. I mean the 2nd Pilot had paper computer readout for God’s sake, yet a few years prior they were using holograms beyond the viewscreen teleconferencing? People are wearing bee hive and go go boots. I’m loving the new design. You can tell they were made by the same company but they are different looking cars with some similarities. 379 comments so far. The newest Star Trek series was no stranger to utilizing callbacks to Trek canon. These old Klingon Houses are deeply variegated in appearance, & they take such matters very seriously. When you see the TOS 11′ fly into camera, it absolutely overwhelms the frame, flying over and under the lens with apparent immensity. There is no excuse for a sloppy job like this. *shrugs*, “Nobody has ever taken their car in and paid for it to look worse.”. One change deserves concern, the other doesn’t. A sleek, elegant ship and far better than the Kelvin-verse version. The two pilot versions of the Enterprise are fairly similar. All the snark about “Discovery Can Do No Wrong” crowd is ridiculous. We are here because we are all Trek fans, not just Star Trek Discovery fans. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t until half way through Season 1 that they nailed down the Enterprise was a Federation starship. Look at the old 1701 and then look at all the ships that has been introduced in Discovery including the Shenzhou (which IS suppose to be ‘old’ btw) and tell me the sixties model would even pass in the same universe as those? Enterprise and canon are dirty words to the “Discovery can do no wrong” brigade. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp or the “Star Trek” franchise. I actually disagree. Therefore, with the exception of the Mirror Universe, there is only one universe all of Star Trek has taken place in, only different timelines. Discovery joining forces with Captain Christopher Pike on a new mission to investigate seven mysterious red signals and the appearance of an unknown being called the Red Angel. You obviously never watched Enterprise. The second pilot version of the Enterprise. While not exactly the same, you can see the Discovery impulse engines have three segments on each side. The glowing blue on the inside flank of the nacelle, the more obvious “clamps” around the nacelle caps, and even the thicker pylons that hold up the nacelles, all echo the NX-01. Do you discount The Motion Picture because the Klingons became identical lobster-heads? At least the older shows offered why their look changed—and that continuity helped the franchise endure. Something that I believe cannot be simply dismissed with the equivalent of, “It’s 2018, get over it or take a hike!” It all depends on whether or not you believe someone with the stature of Alex Kurtzman when they state that Discovery, “adheres to canon”. I’m not sure he could act the part as well, though. If you can’t accept that as canon, that’s too bad…I feel sorry for you, because it is canon. Other Klingons would still have the ridges we simply didn’t see those on TOS so it actually fits just fine in Discovery. Just sayin’ ;). That’s awesome when non-fans so easily recognize the Enterprise. I’m quite happy with it @Trekboi, I know they’ve made a few tweaks but it still feels like the Enterprise to me. Why would a refit make the ship look older and crappier? While patrolling Federation space, the U.S.S. Now there are not one, not two, but *three* reasons why their look may eventually change; & keep in mind, this appears to be closer to the reboot universe than TOS one, so any historical differences are effectively ret-conned from the outset. But yeah they should’ve put the show in another time period. The glowing blue lights on the insides of the warp nacelles technically aren’t supposed to reference NX-01. Eagle moss, make the replica!!!! This is how the current Star Trek … That’s why I think we need to take the visual legacy of Trek seriously, but wear it lightly. I really was not aware of this detail. They spew vitriol at anyone who criticizes “their” show- even if the criticisms are valid and reasonable. Perhaps there are that many on-board during the show, but that doesn’t mean that number is the ship’s actual capacity. Until now. I love every bit of it, including the potato peelers. They took a bit of everything, while being true to the original (more than the JJverse ENT). You all built the models, use all the structural integrety fields you want, those nacelles were a pain in the ass and would fall of with a touch… there simply wasn’t enough thought put into actual engineering. The front profile looks odd to me, the Enterprise should be tall and graceful. FEATURES: 1/1000 scale, skill 2, paint and cement required; Molded in metallic gray; ALL-NEW kit! Re: During the Cage era they wore essentially the same uniforms. I have accepted STDISCO’s looks—but the studio keep saying it’s Prime? It’s crap like this that makes it impossible for me to respect or enjoy Discovery. Agree- Gene & team updated the look of everything when planning the Phase II show and The Motion Picture because they had the budget. The bridge modules were also different; in both pilots they were taller. I love this version of the Enterprise. You can see a galaxy-class federation starship in the skies of Coruscant in Ep. It was removed after the two pilots. I must say I have been drooling over these images far more than I ever did with the USS Discovery! $48.99 + shipping Also, Discovery is not set in a period that was established. Once you decide to not change things because “that’s the way it always was and should be” is when Trek dies. Star Trek: Discovery (TV Series 2017– ) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. But I will argue it was never really about nostalgia until the Enterprise showed up, it was mostly a way to market to old fans but it wasn’t to show them all the things they loved about TOS like RO did with ANH. The lines of the bottom and aft of the engineering section on up to the shuttle bay are very similar to the refit. Obviously I get your point though, of course they would not refit their ship to make it look crappier. The final season of the most recent Star Trek series before Discovery explained that the Klingons used to be ridged, but during the Enterprise era (the show Enterprise) they stole from the Federation the technology used to make the supermen (like Kahn), but this technology only made them look like humans (removed their ridges). yes always has been a projection of the future from when the show was made. The top of the saucer is similar to the original series version, but the bridge module is even flatter and wider than the classic series version. A kid can be excused for not remembering everything right. If this is what they wanted they should have placed the show after Voyager in the timeline. It all depends on how integral this appearance of the Enterprise is to the plot. And I don’t ever recall Kirk’s nurses ever wearing those medical personnel uniforms. I feel like they were trying to make an updated version that you could see easy see as coming from the NX Enterprise and going towards the TMP/TNG Enterprise. Realistically I didn’t expect them to keep this feature of the pilot model, it was done for simplicity’s sake in 1964 and certainly isn’t the iconic look we all know. Anyone who complains about these minor cosmetic changes is taking things WAAAAAY too seriously. Excellent work digging out that window/screen photo on The Cage model! Polar Lights Star Trek Discovery USS Enterprise 1:1000 scale model kit new 973. For those who may be unaware, the filming model for The Original Series’ USS Enterprise looked somewhat different in the first pilot “The Cage.” It was updated again for the second pilot, “Where No Man Has Gone Before,” and was then more dramatically re-worked a third time when the show was picked up for series. The Discovery Uniform is the standard Federation uniform seen in Star Trek: Discovery. Enterprise E is my favourite. (Those lights have to consume a lot of power) Maybe they develop new hull playing that masks a certain percentage of the power emissions. The Discovery team has been very respectful and faithful to the original TOS Enterprise design. The inclusion of the ship has led to a lot of fan debate. The window is lit up, right where you’d expect it, under the bridge dome. I understand what they were trying to do and why, and I realize it took them a lot of well-intentioned work, but I just can’t bring myself to appreciate it. “Nobody has ever taken their car in and paid for it to look worse.” Does anybody really think that in 2018 a studio is going to pay millions of production dollars to make a ship that looks “Older and crappier” than other modern science fiction shows? Somebody forgot to pay the electric bill. I have no issues with this redesign of the Enterprise or it replacing the classic—I kind of like it. The 2001-2005 prequel series Star Trek: Enterprise gave a better explanation as to how Earth could fight Romulans for years without ever seeing the faces of … The sooner Trek fans hung up on the look of a TV show from the 1960s drop off the franchise, the better for the future of the franchise. This last detail is more obscure: only in “Where No Man Has Gone Before” do the impulse engines have multiple nozzles in the back. You can say you like it—and accept it, but that’s just you. These same kind of floodlights are present in the Discovery version. No. Actually no, Even though they were small inconsistencies between models not a redesign Fans noticed, complained & when they made Generations they went back & refurbished the Original 6 Foot model to use for all the Enterprise shots (exccept a couple CGI Warp-outs). They have starfleet officers not in groovy color tops and go-go boots but in military style uniforms talking to hairless Klingons on super size bridges through holographic communication. I know Trek and design & story continuity —consistency is key. As I recall, it was a budget decision for “Relics.” They only had to recreate one section of the bridge, use a short clip from “This Side of Paradise” (the empty bridge) and borrow a fan’s full-size mockup of “the chair” and the helm. The article here actually makes me appreciate the design more—someone designed this ship knowing fans were going to tear it apart no matter what they did, and I honestly think they were pretty attentive to keeping a lot of details. What is weird about Discovery is they weren’t setting it in the period to create nostalgia the way SW is doing. The classic series version of the Enterprise. While we can’t settle any of those debates today, certainly not before we see what they’re planing to do with the Enterprise in season two, we can do what Trekkies do best, which is to analyze the new “Disco” design of the most famous ship in the Star Trek franchise. The shuttle in STV could have used a longer landing strip. I expect the bridge will the same JJ look as the other bridges. Now he’d be absurd as Pike. What does that have to do with your point about ‘fads’ and ‘looking back’? The continuity here does not work, period. Now if you don’t like the look of these thats fine but their ridges DO fit into canon. Look back at the Abrams 1701. I guess the Augment virus magically disappeared or was cured since Enterprise. Seems like a descendant of the NX-01 refit. What do you think? There’s likely no reason to introduce the original 1960s series Enterprise into the story, other than fan service. In all those examples they were improving or updating the show as irt progressed, Discovery just re-wrote everything which now contradicts everything else. We’ve seen this kind of stubby and wide design before, but it comes from an alternate universe. OMG, its time to move on. Shazad Latif as Ash Tyler 4. I hate the window in the bridge, like I hate the window in any bridge. Also in the mix of influences are the NX-class from Star Trek: Enterprise, and yes, a dash of the Kelvin-universe USS Enterprise as well. Random thought… The potato peeler shouldn’t be in a section of “unique”. I would love to see a contrast – that the ship would be seen in bright harsh sunlight in-system, then transition to the self-lit look in deep space, but sans all this gloom/murk. And there’s no need for it to be, which makes all the weirder and more annoying. Their ship interior looks like a campy sixties set compared to today. Note I said a shuttle, as in we’ve never seen a shuttle need extra runway, they land in shuttlebays that are right at outer edge of a ship no problem. Scotty should never have walked onto that primary coloured candy button set, it should have been written to have him walk onto the bridge of the A. trellium, Wow Dana, you just wasted a lot of words totally, willfully missing the point repeatedly- All those changes were on a progression of the show- Discovery is based in a time period when everything is established so there is no room to change anything like they did with the Klingons. One conclusion upon which our different approaches do converge, once you demonstrate, as you have, that you know nothing about costuming, fashion styles and their differences, it’s time to move on, as you clearly know nothing about that upon which you seek to pontificate. If that’s true, you should probably get out now. There is nothing unacceptable about the design of the ship by today’s standards. Even more unusual is the extended platform for the shuttlebay; we’ve never seen a shuttle craft actually need an extra landing strip before, and it gives the design an awkward “lower lip.”, The pylon “slit” and the shuttlebay “lip”. I will agree they did do a great job with RO setting it to ANH but their mandate was different because RO was purposely meant to capture the nostalgia of ANH in every way possible (which is entirely the movie even exists). You are now talking about the UNDER shirts? Once you start changing things for change’s sake, is when it all falls apart. WATCH: Next Week on Discovery, Episode 9. The Official Star Trek Website and gateway to the final frontier. Yes, you nailed it, that’s exactly what the DSC version is: a picture drawn by a kid who doesn’t have the original readily available for reference, thus having to draw it “from memory”. @Beaux — really, how much less “could” you care? Its the same style its just a variance of that style. 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